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Debunked: IMDB Poster Says It’s All False Info

Update: Mr_Ghostface_Lives has just replied to our private message from two weeks ago. This is appended at the end.


A couple of weeks ago, we reported on an IMDB user called Mr_Ghostface_Lives who sensationally claimed that:

  • Luke is not Rey’s father
  • Leia gets written out early on, and only survives after using the Force

Today, Mr_Ghostface_Lives posted this on the Episode VII and Episode VIII message boards:

For whatever reasons, I made up the rumours I posted recently. I’m not employed by any entity related to Star Wars, I have no access to any tangible material to back up my theories and everything I’ve posted about the new films was pure guesswork.

Apologies.

Two hours ago, he followed up with an additional post:

I’ve never been fortunate enough to be near a Star Wars movie set, but I’m pretty intuitive when it comes to story and production and this isn’t the first time I’ve ruffled a few feathers by guessing correctly.

It’s not worth the hassle, so I’m going to just quit the prediction game and wait for the movie.

IMDB history

Mr_Ghostface_Lives made a name for himself during the run-up to The Force Awakens. He was able to get a number of locations right, such as “desert planet”, a “Hoth-type environment” and other assertions that sounded credible.

However, he also had some crucial misses, like his assertion that Finn is Lando’s son. His leak history is chronicled here.

When a fellow IMDB user brought up the Lando claims last week, Mr_Ghostface_Lives countered by saying that:

I said Finn was Lando’s son? I certainly don’t recall that, as I never heard that as anything but a rumour. Indeed I was not lying about the sets at Pinewood, and I’m not lying about Leia using the Force and then pretty much disappearing from the story. I could say how she uses it etc but I don’t want to give such specific spoilers. I’d much rather fuel people’s anticipation.

When confronted with his exact posts, however, he weakly claimed he was “drunk on wine” and was just having mischievous fun.

The unraveling

What Mr_Ghostface_Lives didn’t count on, however, was the publicity. When news of his “leak” gained traction on the web, he was forced to backtrack from his previous statement about Rey’s parentage:

I just realised that there may be some misinterpretation of the material I read – remember I read it out of context and in pieces.

The Leia using the Force stuff is 100% on the money, and I’m confident that will make the final cut, but the parentage of Rey… I just realised that it’s possible she may yet be Luke’s daughter, but he isn’t aware of it. There is no family “reunion” in the first half of the script and he doesn’t know her, but I just realised the possibility that he either didn’t know he’d fathered anyone, or didn’t know she’d survived some past incident. So, maybe there is a revelation later that I haven’t seen.

Currently, his posts regarding Episode VIII have already been deleted.


Update: We reached out to Mr_Ghostface_Lives back in June 10 when his post wasn’t viral yet. Today he finally replied:

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I appreciate your message but I can’t discuss this any further, I’ve been warned and I realise it was stupid to have posted anything. Regardless of the truth or otherwise of anything I may have said, I must retract everything I’ve posted. I have no access to any material regarding the new films, it was pure guesswork.

I wish you well.

Hmm.

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Star Wars Episode VIII: Leia “Written out in Opening Sequence”

Update (June 20, 2016):  Mr_Ghostface_Lives has suddenly backtracked from his assertions and deleted his posts. See the latest news here.


A couple of days ago, Star Wars fans were on fire after the return of an IMDB user called “Mr_Ghostface_Lives”, who was an influential poster in the run up to The Force Awakens. 

In a June 8 post entitled “Two Facts in Episode VIII“, Mr_Ghostface_Lives claims that:

  • Luke is not Rey’s father
  • Leia gets written out early on, and only survives after using the Force.

Today June 10, Mr_Ghostface_Lives gave a further update:

(In response to a comment on Leia’s Force use) Yes I agree, TFA implies that she never looked into the Force at all, which I found disappointing and very unlikely from a story point of view. Given that she and Luke, to the best of our knowledge, were the last Force users at the end of Jedi, how likely is it that she’d never explore it with Luke?

So yes, she uses the Force in Episode VIII, which I think is a phenomenally good move. It’s just too bad that they’re minimising her part again. She’s absent for most of the movie after the opening sequence.

With regard to whether Leia will survive, he replied:

Yes, as far as I know she is in Episode IX. She doesn’t die in the script for Episode VIII as it stands. But it’s still disappointing that they’re minimising her screen time. Despite her personal problems, Carrie Fisher is still a very good actress.

And as for the Rey Skywalker issue:

Well, I don’t know whose child she really is, just that she isn’t Luke’s daughter and it certainly wasn’t Luke or Leia who abandoned her on Jakku.

Update (June 11 1 pm EST): 

Question:

1. You know who actually left her on Jakku? Some other reason that excludes the possibility of Luke or Leia being the ones who left her?

2. Also, does what you’re seeing line up with the MSW leaks? Have you got any sense of where the big scene of Kylo and the Knights of Ren arriving on Ahch-To takes place (i.e. first/second/third act)? Don’t worry if you can’t answer, but I thought I’d try my luck.

I don’t actually know who left her because I haven’t read anything that reveals it, but I have read enough to know who it isn’t, if that makes sense. And it’s neither Luke nor Leia.

Regarding all the leaks, there was a great deal revealed there, and some of it I can neither confirm nor deny, but yes, there is certainly truth to some of it.


Let’s analyze:

Leia is absent after the opening sequence

  • The last we saw of General Leia Organa in TFA, she was in the Resistance Base on D’Qar.
  • If Mr_Ghostface_Lives is a credible source, then there will probably be some sort of reprisal attack on D’Qar. This isn’t a stretch, given that the First Order now knows the location of the Resistance base, and they’ll be hungry for blood after the destruction of Starkiller Base.
  • We might even see a modern adaptation of the Hoth battle, where the First Order arrives just as the Resistance is packing up and preparing to switch bases.

Remember, a few months ago there was a rumor that Laura Dern’s character would replace Leia as leader of the Resistance after being severely injured. The scene supposedly occurs “just after an evacuation”, implying a battle with the First Order that the Resistance will lose.

Leia’s grave situation might also serve as segue to the galaxy’s political situation. Episode VIII director Rian Johnson helped shape the TFA prequel novel Star Wars: Bloodline, including the state of the new Republic and the two ideological factions vying for control. With Leia out of the way, the audience will see the effects of her absence, as well as the tiny cracks in the Republic’s facade.

In fact, as early as now Disney is already prepping us for the larger view of the galaxy outside of the Resistance:

Whereas Episode 7 was a clear conflict between good and evil, Episode 8 could delve into the gray area, and how the good guys aren’t as united as they seem to be.

Incidentally supporting Mr_Ghostface_Lives assertion is the fact that Carrie Fisher seems to have a lot of downtime. While Mark Hamill has been putting in 6 am call times at Pinewood Studios, Carrie found the time to launch a new advice column on The Guardian yesterday. Her column is appropriately called Advice from the Dark Side.

Rey isn’t a Skywalker

  • Disney producer Kathleen Kennedy already stated the new trilogy will be about the Skywalkers. So if Rey isn’t part of the family, there’s still Ben (though redemption seems far-fetched at this point).
  • If Rey isn’t a Skywalker, where did she come from? Because of her incredible Force potential, fans are theorizing she came from an equally powerful lineage.
  • Another theory is that she is a “child of the Force”, like Anakin.
  • Then again, she could just be a random scavenger who was somehow on the same planet as the Millennium Falcon, Lor San Tekka, and the map to Luke Skywalker. If so, then the Force really works in mysterious ways.

Stormtrooper Larry has his own theory, but we’re too lazy to get up from the couch and share it just yet. All we can say is we agree that Rey is probably NOT a Skywalker.

As for the credibility of Mr_Ghostface_Lives, it’s up for debate. Some credit him to be a reliable source on TFA, while others scoff at him for his off-mark assertions like Finn being Lando’s son.

Who knows, he might be the real thing, and his missed predictions might be from an early script. After all, Making Star Wars claimed that TFA’s opening scene would be Luke’s hand floating in space. Half a year later, they were vindicated after Mark Hamill confirmed that an early version of the script did open with his severed hand.

Either way, you can judge for yourself by reading Mr_Ghostface_Lives’ leak history.

While this will stoke debate among the Reywalkers and the Rey-nots, we can all agree on one thing: with Episode VIII more than a year away, half the fun is in speculating!

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UPDATE (June 16): 

Mr_Ghostface_Lives seems to have backtracked on Rey’s parentage. See the latest post here.

UPDATE (June 2o):

He now claims all the information he posted is false.

The Saddest Thing about The Force Awakens

Back in the olden days of Return of the Jedi, we were treated to a happy ending.

The second Death Star was destroyed, along with Vader and old man Palpatine. All over the galaxy, repressed citizens crowded the streets in jubilation. The last shot of the original trilogy had the heroes of the Rebellion celebrating while the force ghosts of Ben, Yoda and Hayden Christensen looked on.

Against all odds, the ragtag alliance won the war and ushered in the fall of the Galactic Empire.

returnofthejedix05The last time they will ever be happy together

After all they’ve been through, our heroes earned a well-deserved break, right? The old Expanded Universe thought so.

Luke started a new Jedi Academy, while Han and Leia settled down and pumped out Jedi babies. They had 3 kids, and Luke and his wife Mara Jade had one. Leia later became the New Republic head of state, and Han settled down to a comfortable life while occasionally going on adventures with Chewie and Lando.

With the release of The Force Awakens, the overlords of Disney wiped away all of that.

Instead, thirty years after the fall of the Empire, our heroes were actually worse off than before. Let’s take a look:

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Luke – Tried to start a new Jedi school, but ended up with a wholesale slaughter of his entire student body.

He failed so massively that he fled from the rest of the galaxy. He abandoned even his own sister, best friend, and his loyal droid. And as the opening crawl says, it was in Luke’s absence that the First Order grew stronger and spread tyranny across more worlds.

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Leia – Once a distinguished Senator, respected warrior, and royalty, she faded into political obscurity. In fact, she was considered a liability by the new government. According to the novelization,

Leia bit down on her lower lip. “So much time has passed. There was a time when they were at least willing to listen. And of course, the Senate’s makeup has changed. Some of those who were always willing to pay attention to me have retired. Some of those who have replaced them have their own agendas.” She smiled ruefully.

There’s even a scene where Leia straight up tells her envoy that if she went personally, something bad might happen to her:

“But why don’t you go yourself, General? An appeal of this nature is always more effective when delivered firsthand.” Leia’s smile thinned. “I might make it to the Senate, yes. I might even be able to deliver my speech. But I would never, never get out of the Hosnian system alive. I would have a terrible ‘accident,’ or become the victim of some ‘deranged’ radical. Or I would eat something that didn’t agree with me. Or encounter someone who didn’t agree with me.”

In short, Leia was coldbloodedly telling someone else to take the risks for her, and being frank about it. Now we know where Kylo Ren got his evil from.

In the end, we have Leia carrying on her lonely fight for freedom, after being abandoned by her husband, son, brother and the galaxy at large.

And what about poor Han Solo? He won the princess, saved the galaxy, and got his precious ship back from a suicide mission.

Thirty years later, he was estranged from his wife, disavowed by his son, lost the Falcon, and went back to his old conman-smuggler routine.

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And after managing to survive a hand-to-mouth existence, he gets stabbed in the heart with a ragged lightsaber by his own offspring.

Then there’s our beloved droids: C3PO and R2-D2. As usual, nobody listens to Threepio, and nobody even gives a fuck to paint his replacement arm. Meanwhile, Artoo becomes a hermit just like his master — shoved under a dusty tarp in a forgotten corner, he is absent for most of the movie in favor of BB-8.

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And in case you’re wondering about Lando, there’s no mention of him at all. It’s like the Hero of Tanaab and the Guy who Blew Up Death Star II didn’t exist. Maybe he died during a stimspice-and-hooker collision with a star cruiser. Or he got shanked in a dingy casino in Nar Shadaa. That would be the best outcome, so he wouldn’t see how low his friends have sunk.

And you know what? This may actually be better. It means that there is no fairy tale ending, and not everything has to end happily ever after. That is the cold, hard reality not just in the Star Wars universe, but our own. 

Quite a lesson for kids, right?

You might argue that even the old EU had its tragic moments. One of the Solo brats goes dark, the galaxy gets invaded, and Chewie dies. And yet, at the very least our heroes never got sidelined. Luke was still Jedi Master, Leia stayed in the political limelight, and Han was a respected General. And most importantly, they never abandoned each other.

With The Force Awakens, we have a virtual Shakespeare tragedy: an emo recluse who gave up on the galaxy, a faded princess abandoned by her whole family, and an aging con-man back to his old tricks. Each one of them going on their own separate path.

I really hope Lando wasn’t around to see any of that.

starwarsep6_ending“Look at them clueless fools. They have no idea what’s going to happen them.”


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